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Old 10-Jul-2003, 12:02 AM
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Thanks Guys,
For the Feedback. I'm still a little lost but am starting to get a better picture of what constitutes 'Real' Hapkido'.
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-Thomas, while most of the posters here are great people, I have noticed among the members a few that seem to delight in bashing those who have accomplished far more than they ever will. GM P. is not the only BLACK BELT HALL OF FAME member that I've seen attacked. I realize that any segment of society has people like this who lack any semblence of integrity and choose to insult their betters. These people who's slogan seems to be "backbite the big dogs because they are the big dogs." Many also indulge in immature style bashing and nation-bashing as well. I am glad to see that I am not the only one who will step up and say this is wrong, these people have earned better than this. BTW-Regarding the original (idiotic and inflammatory) topc: It's quite obvious that anyone is going to feel that their own kwan is the best or they would belong to another. Within the hapkido community, there are some that are generally less regarded, but most practitioners have too much respect and integrity to bash them
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-Thomas, while most of the posters here are great people, I have noticed among the members a few that seem to delight in bashing those who have accomplished far more than they ever will.
Did you read the post where I took my words back about GM P? Altough Chris made some good points too. I'm quite a sceptic of nature so if someone has 8. or 9. dan that doesn't mean anything unless PROVEN. I'm studying physics and astronomy in the university. You can't just say things in there, you have to prove what you have said.
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Oh No,
Not more arguments. Can't we just answer the questions without going on about Politics?

I'm just trying to find a good Hapkido school.....
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Old 10-Jul-2003, 03:51 PM
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A couple of points:

ZaCo: thanks for clarifying your views.

About weapons: I forgot to mention them! In Korea, we didn't really touch them until black belt level and then we worked with the short stick (very short), the bokken (mok gum), nunchaks, staff, cane, and a few others.

I've seen the Marc Tadeshi (spelling?) book and it looks really good... right along with the stuff I did in Korea.

Mark Shuey's Cane stuff is amazing... we had a bit at the last seminar I went to... neat stuff.

Chris from CT: I know where you are coming from about the controversy over GM Pellegrini.
Here is a link to his "founder certificate" from In-sun Seo: http://www.ichf.com/kidolg.jpg
Also here is his "resume", so to speak:
http://www.usadojo.com/biopellegrini.htm

GM Pellegrini really is controversial and many of the "traditional" Hapkido organizations really are against him. He does have the certification and his own kwan, backed up by the World Kido Federation (and the Korean Kido Federation) and is a legitimate school of Hapkido.

However, I do have to agree with some of the detractors and really emphasize that the Combat Hapkido is NOT traditional Hapkido and I think, based on its composition, should fall under a name different than Hapkido. The Korean influence of Taekwondo and Hapkido was very strong in the early years of development but since then Combat Hapkido really has become a form of Mixed Martial Art. I personally find it very effective, very open-minded, fun, exciting, practical AND very different from traditional Hapkido.

Personally I love the ICHF organization and have learned so much from it. They really are a crew of people dedicated to teaching and learning without a great deal of emphasis on money. It is a real style and is very practical. GM Pellegrini and Combat Hapkido, in my opinion, have led to an increased worldwide interest in Hapkido, a tremendous collection of first rate training aids (books/videos/etc.), and provided an example of what can be done within a style towards accomodating all elements of self defence all around the world with great specialists involved, all while trying to keep much of the politics out of it.

In my personal case (it's funny that you commend my loyalty), I started learning some of GM Pelegrini's Hapkido stuff back in 1994, when it was just making its way around. At that time, my master (who is a charter member with the ICHF and has been close for years) brought in pretty much "pure" Hapkido to our classes from GM Pellegrini. From there I went to Korea and got into Hapkido, eventually earning my 1st and 2nd dan while I was there. When I returned in 2001, the ICHF had grown and expanded and I found my Hapkido techniques quite different from what the Combat Hapkido Federation was doing. At first, I was a bit leery of this being "Hapkido". But once I got into it and saw the incredible opportunities for cross training and the amazingly open attitude (and awesome instructors) available at seminars (as well as the vidoes and the stuff my master was bringing in to class), I was sold. I have applied for dan grade in Combat Hapkido but am waiting to see if my previous grade wil be acknowledged or if I will have to test from some other level.

About the good and bad practioners... I wholeheartedly agree... no matter what system or country you are in... it happens.
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I forgot to say, that the reason that I put in the original post about NOT Combat Hapkido, is not because I don't want to study it or think that it is suspect (I know very little about it).

But rather that there is as far as I can make out only one class/ group teaching Combat Hapkido in the UK and they are in Nottingham and I am in London, about 150 miles south of them, therefore training in it is a tad impractical. Otherwise I would....
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